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  I think the "Mediator" is changing....

  by cha ching in

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  i just looked at the january 2014 wt study magazine, page 16. pgph 16. i think the wt is finally relenting.... jeus was the "mediator" after all!.

  16 by the end of christs thousand.

  year reign, the messianic kingdom will.

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  cha ching

  haha! Ding!!!

  Ding as in"You hit the nail on the head!!! "

  Brought a smile to our face this a.m.

  OldHippie, Blondie.... "oh, those were the days my friend, thank God they did finally end"
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  I think the "Mediator" is changing....

  by cha ching in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just looked at the january 2014 wt study magazine, page 16. pgph 16. i think the wt is finally relenting.... jeus was the "mediator" after all!.

  16 by the end of christs thousand.

  year reign, the messianic kingdom will.

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  cha ching

  EX-ACT-lleeee.... Walls of Jericho, CrazyGuy& BluesBrother...

  Thank you! The three of you have captured my thoughts, expressed my frustration, and explained my irritation well..

  The WT is a "word-smither..." They are so good at it, that you KNOW Jesus is not your mediatior (no, he only mediates the NEW covenant, with the "Anointed" heavenly, special people) BUT you say, "Hey, how do we get to Jehovah in prayer?" (and thenyour brain goes thru the listof things that Blondie has provided... so close, yet....)

  The dictionary says a mediatior is: a person who attempts to make people involved in a conflict come to an agreement; a go-between.

  "the government appointed a mediator to assist in finding a resolution to the dispute" (arbitrator, negotiator, conciliator, peacemaker, go-between, middleman, intermediary, moderator, intervener, intercessor....)

  1 Tim 2: 4- 6 says; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

  This scripture talks about ALL men, ransom for ALL..The WT likes to focus on "them, the special, the anointed, the appointed, the only ones we should be thanking God for in our prayers for the spiritual food that THEY provide us," NOT God.... NOT... Jesus...

  Then, the WT focuses on “ (Hebrews 8:5-6) . . .” 6 But now [Jesus] has obtained a more excellent public service, so that he is also the mediator of a correspondingly better covenant, which has been legally established upon better promises.

  And

  (Matthew 26:27-28) 27 Also, he took a cup and, having given thanks, he gave it to them, saying: “Drink out of it, all of YOU; 28 for this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’ which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins.

  However, in reality… if there is such a thing, it's all about saving people, taking their sins away..

  (Romans 11:26-27) . . .Just as it is written: “The deliverer will come out of Zion and turn away ungodly practices from Jacob. 27 And this is the covenant on my part with them, when I take their sins away. . .

  I spent so many hours researching, arguing, presenting reasons WHY it was “OK” for me to say Jesus is my mediator, and what a waste of time….

  You see, when you are a part of “Jehovah’s Witnesses,” you cannot have your “own” opinion, you can’t just state your “belief,” and be happy… There is constant turmoil, debate.

  The reason that I did post this tidbit was to catalogue the way the Watchtower does things. It is:

  *Not clear, it is actually sly.. Screws with your brain, eats up your time with "empty headed reasonings"

  *Ambiguous, for a reason: You never have time to be “you”

  *Self centered, you are always waiting to hear an explanation, “waiting

  on Jehovah,” I mean the “Governing Body”

  Can we say “Always limping on two different opinions?”
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  I need help! Talk coming up and I need ideas fast!

  by BU2B in

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  omg i am so distressed.

  i have a talk coming up on tuesday, it is the number 3 "abiram.

  why opposing god appointed authority is tantamount to opposing god himself"!.

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  cha ching

  HaHa Never a JW,

  I like your idea about comparing "proof'...

  Moses did the 10 plagues .... the Israelites could see God was behind him..

  The GB had 7 conventions in the early 1900's, they arrange hotels for us, God is behind them..

  Moses parted the Red Sea, the GB print magazines, what more proof do you need?

  (Ridiculous when it is said out loud, hmm?)
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  3 days ago Apostate walks into Watchtower headquarters gets a new Bible Leaves his business card

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  bo juel jensen from norway was visiting new york 3 days ago .

  he is an apostate activist and a child abuse survivor .. this is the video.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odluwssd_qy.

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  Even when I could not discern the exact things being said in the background, just the childishness of this video, with people interrupting, talking over other people, making stupid jokes.... makes it unprofessional, a bit embarrassing and takes away from any message they may be trying to send.
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  I think the "Mediator" is changing....

  by cha ching in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just looked at the january 2014 wt study magazine, page 16. pgph 16. i think the wt is finally relenting.... jeus was the "mediator" after all!.

  16 by the end of christs thousand.

  year reign, the messianic kingdom will.

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  cha ching

  Thx for the quotes Blondie....
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  The Good News of The Kingdom - Gods Plan for Salvation through the Ransom (Help Needed)

  by objectivetruth in

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  when i first began studying in order to "make the truth my own", there were a set of scriptures that perplexed me and motivated me to dig deeper.. the scriptures are regarding the resurrection of the inhabitants of sodom & gomorrah.. see jesus words here - matthew 10:15 - "truly i say to you, it will be more endurable for the land of sodom and gomorrah on judgment day than for that city.

  " (ezekiel 16:48 / matthew 11:23 / matthew 11:24 / luke 10:12 ).

  any time that i brought these scriptures up to jw friends and family they would reply like this "jesus was speaking in hyperbole.. that is why he said it would be more endurable".. i would clarify and show them that it says "will be".

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  Hi Objective truth,

  I think this is what happens when the scales start falling from your eyes....

  You start discovering new things, trying to piece them all togethor..

  Hang in there,

  Cha Ching
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  Lurking faithful JWs, here's a question for you to ponder on:

  by Island Man in

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  are you in 'the truth', or are you only in 'the current understanding'?.

  how long will it be before many of the current teachings peculiar to the organization are rejected as old light and relegated to watchtower's dust bin of old light, out-of-print literature to be expunged from future issues of watchtower library cd-rom?.

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  Was it true that the sun revolved around the earth? or.... Is it true that the earth revolves around the sun?

  Was one idea true, until someone became enlightened? or was it ever true? Was it a false idea?

  "Galileo's championing of heliocentrism was controversial within his lifetime, when most subscribed to either geocentrism or the Tychonic system. [7] He met with opposition from astronomers, who doubted heliocentrism due to the absence of an observed stellar parallax. [7] The matter was investigated by the Roman Inquisition in 1615, which concluded that heliocentrism was false and contrary to scripture, placing works advocating the Copernican system on the index of banned books and forbidding Galileo from advocating heliocentrism. [" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

  When is truth, truth? When is false, false? When it becomes "new light"?
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  I think the "Mediator" is changing....

  by cha ching in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just looked at the january 2014 wt study magazine, page 16. pgph 16. i think the wt is finally relenting.... jeus was the "mediator" after all!.

  16 by the end of christs thousand.

  year reign, the messianic kingdom will.

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  cha ching

  I guess the whole "Only the 144,000 have a mediator" because a "covenant" was made with them for a kingdom, always irritated me...

  (1 Timothy 2:4-6) .　.　.whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth. 5　For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6　who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—[this is] what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times.

  I would go round and round arguing that Jesus had to be the mediator for ALL men..... hours and hours....

  and now? does it really matter?

  The WT doublespeak can drive you crazy...... you are not allowed to be "logical," right?

  Not that I believe them / it any more...

  I guess I just like hearing the WT admit it....
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  I think the "Mediator" is changing....

  by cha ching in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just looked at the january 2014 wt study magazine, page 16. pgph 16. i think the wt is finally relenting.... jeus was the "mediator" after all!.

  16 by the end of christs thousand.

  year reign, the messianic kingdom will.

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  cha ching

  Really?

  Right now, the view is that only the 'annointed' have a "mediator" of a "new covenant.' Right?

  So, I thought when they said "at the end of the thousand years" (on earth.... which is where people are now) there won't be a need for an intermediary... (That means us "earthlings" needed an intermediary before then)

  Well, during the 1,000 years, the 144 have been in heaven....

  Who is the "mediator" in between that time?
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  I think the "Mediator" is changing....

  by cha ching in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just looked at the january 2014 wt study magazine, page 16. pgph 16. i think the wt is finally relenting.... jeus was the "mediator" after all!.

  16 by the end of christs thousand.

  year reign, the messianic kingdom will.

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  cha ching

  I just looked at the January 2014 WT Study Magazine, Page 16. Pgph 16

  I think the WT is finally relenting...

  Jeus WAS the "mediator" after all!

  16 By the end of Christ’s Thousand

  Year Reign, the Messianic Kingdom will

  have achieved its purpose. Then Jesus

  will hand the Kingdom over to his Father.

  (Read 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.)

  There will no longer be a need for an

  intermediary between Jehovah and his

  earthly children. All of God’s sons in

  heaven and his children on earth will be

  united with their heavenly Father as part

  of his universal family.

  15, 16. (a) What thrilling events will take

  place during the Thousand Year Reign?

  (b) What will be Jesus’ final act as Messianic

  King, and what will that mean regarding Jehovah’s

  purpose for all of his creation?